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segunda-feira, 14 de março de 2016

Podem os EUA (ja nem digo o Brasil) ser uma Dinamarca? Bernie Sanders computou os custos? - Steven Pearlstein (WP)

Os nossos keynesianos de botequim apontam para as maravilhas dos escandinavos para dizer que se pode, sim, ter altas taxas e excelentes serviços coletivos fornecidos pelo Estado. Eu, mesmo quando era um keynesiano moderado, nunca achei que o Brasil pudesse se converter facilmente num país escandinavo, a começar que não tínhamos a moderação demográfica, as tradições democráticas, a ausência de corrupção e, sobretudo, a alta educação (e produtividade) dos escandinavos.
Mas, o candidato Bernie Sander acha que sim, que os EUA poderiam ser uma espécie de Dinamarca. Ele só esqueceu de informar sobre os custos de um United States of Scandinavia, e, mais ainda, quem iria pagar...
Mas a principal razão evidenciada por um especialista consultado para esta matéria de Steven Pearlstein é que os EUA não são um país homogêneo como a Dinamarca. Bem, o que pensar do Brasil então?
Paulo Roberto de Almeida

Wonkbook: Can Bernie Sanders turn the United States into Denmark?
By Steven Pearlstein
The Washington Post, March 14, 2016

Government-provided health insurance. Free college tuition. A $15 minimum wage. Stronger unions. High gas taxes. Guaranteed parental leave.  It sounds as though Bernie Sanders wants to turn America into Denmark or Sweden.

“And what’s wrong with that?” the Democratic presidential candidate replied when ABC’s George Stephanopoulos asked that question.

Indeed, a number of countries with bigger governments, higher taxes and more income equality than the United States are as prosperous, healthy and happy — in some cases, more so. Cross-country studies have found that big government is not a guarantee of a country’s economic success, but neither is it a barrier. Even here at home, the pollsters at Gallup found that most Democrats — and a near majority of all Americans — would be open to voting for a socialist.

According to economists, however, the question is not whether it is theoretically possible for Americans to adopt Scandinavian policies and still be prosperous. The issue is whether Americans would be willing to accept the tradeoffs that go along with such a system — higher taxes and unemployment rates, open trade, slower growth, more income redistribution — and whether Sanders has overestimated the benefits and underestimated the costs of adopting it.

“There’s nothing wrong with it other than that Americans are not Danes,” said Princeton’s Alan Blinder, a top economic adviser to President Bill Clinton.

“The number one reason why these policies are feasible in Denmark is that the country is extremely homogenous,” explained Jacob Kierkegaard, a Dane who is a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute of International Economics in Washington.  “The perception among the electorate is that the government will provide for me and for people who, in a linguistic, cultural and ethnic sense, are just like me.” And because Danes view themselves as 'shareholders' in the state, he said, government is viewed as benign and trustworthy.”
“That situation is not present, nor has ever been present, in the United States,” Kierkegaard said.

Luigi Zingales, an Italian economist now at the University of Chicago, contrasts high-tax, high-trust socialist countries such as Denmark and Sweden with high-tax, low-trust countries where populations are ethnically and culturally diverse, politics are fractious and government is incompetent and corrupt. In terms of social trust, he said, the Americans are somewhere in between.
“The danger for the United States is that it would wind up looking more like Italy and Greece than Denmark and Sweden,” Zingales said.
Attitudes toward globalization is another difference. Free trade is so widely accepted in Scandinavia that it even has strong support from organized labor. “Their unions recognize that for their workers to have a job, companies need to export to grow and be successful,” Kierkegaard said. By contrast, Sanders has made common cause with American unions in proposing to roll back every trade treaty signed since the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) in the 1990s.
The world, in fact, may be better off when different countries adopt different economic systems, argue Daron Acemoglu, Thierry Verdier and James Robinson in a widely noted paper, “Can’t We All Be More Like Scandanavians?”
The United States, with its more “cutthroat” form capitalism, they argue, plays a unique role in the global economy because it generates a disproportionate share of innovative new technologies and business practices that are quickly adopted by other countries. If Americans were to embrace Denmark’s  “cuddly” form of capitalism, they fear, there would be less of that disruptive innovation and both Americans and Danes would be worse off. A robust global economy requires the co-existence of both systems trading with each other.
Although economists are sympathetic to the direction of many of the individual policies that make up Sandernomics, even those who lean liberal worry they go too far.
The best example is the single-payer health plan that would effectively replace today’s private and public insurance programs with comprehensive medical, dental and optical services with no co-payments or deductibles for all Americans.  Every other advanced country does it that way, at significantly lower cost and better health outcomes. Why, Sanders asks, can’t we do the same?

An analysis done for the Sanders campaign by Gerald Friedman, a University of Massachusetts economist, concluded that the single-payer plan would shave $1 trillion off what would otherwise be $6 trillion in national health spending by 2026, a decade after enactment—even after extending coverage to tens of millions of Americans who now are uninsured or underinsured.
The reduction, he calculates would come primarily from eliminating most of the billing and administrative expenses at doctors offices, hospitals, pharmacies and insurance companies—an immediate savings of 12 percent.  Additional savings would come from government bargaining and controls that reduce – and slow the growth of -- prices for drugs and medical services.
The average family, Friedman estimated, would save nearly $6,000 a year, even after paying a new 8.4 payroll tax to the government instead of premiums and co-payments to insurance companies.  At the same time, employers who offer insurance would save more than $9,000 per employee.
But Kenneth Thorpe, a widely respected health economist at Emory University, argues that Friedman overestimated the administrative savings and reduction in drug prices that the government could negotiate on generic drugs and home health care, both fast-growing segments.  And he said that Friedman badly underestimated the additional demand for medical services induced by the total elimination of co-payments and deductibles, creating the health care equivalent of an all-you-can-eat buffet.
Thorpe is no stranger to single-payer health plans.  His cost analyses lead Sanders’ own state of Vermont to scrap its plans for a statewide single-payer system. Sanders’ plan, he calculated, would require another trillion dollars a year in new taxes on top of the $1.3 billion that Sanders had proposed to fund the system.
Beyond the financial challenges are the political ones. Health economists predict the Sanders plan would reduce incomes for doctors, hospital administrators and drug company shareholders, much as happens in other countries. Warren Gunnels, Sanders’ policy director, acknowledged as much but argued that Canadian and British doctors and nurses still lived “very comfortably.”

Keeping a tighter rein on health spending could also result in fewer tests and procedures if they fail to meet strict cost-benefit guidelines, or longer wait times for non-urgent care, which are also common in other countries.  Gunnels said that kind of rationing will be minimal and, in any case, is preferable to the kind of rationing of health care that  now leaves 60 million Americans uninsured or underinsured.
Economists have also questioned Sanders plan for free tuition at all public colleges and universities.
Ron Ehrenberg, a Cornell University expert on higher education, notes that because of existing federal and state assistance, low- and moderate-income students already pay little or no tuition. Much of the tuition benefit, he predicts, will go to students from middle- and upper-income families.
“I’m not sure this is a wise thing,” Ehrenberg said.  “It won’t affect the ability of lower income students to get higher education.”
Others predict that the plan could strain the capacity of public institutions as large numbers of students shift from private to public colleges.  They also warn that the extra demand probably would ive up the annual cost of the program well beyond the $75 billion Sanders has projected. A recent study by the bipartisan Tax Policy Center found that the financial transaction tax which Sanders relies on to pay for the tuition-free initiative could raise, at most, $50 billion a year. Setting the tax as high as Sanders proposes, they warn, would simply cause investors and speculators to make fewer trades, or drive the trading offshore.
A cornerstone of Sandernomics is a promise to raise the national minimum wage to $15 an hour — enough to lift any full-time worker out of poverty.  Other proposals — pay equity for women, stricter overtime enforcement and rules making it easier for workers to unionize—are also meant to push up working-class wages.  These regulatory changes would increase average wages by 8 percent within a decade, according to Friedman at UMass.

Liberal economists auxh A Princeton’s Alan Krueger, former chief economist in the Obama White House, have long thought that, in modest doses, such policies can largely pay for themselves because of the reduced turnover and increased worker productivity that result from higher pay.  But even Krueger has been reluctant to push the minimum wage as high as $15, calling it a “risk not worth taking.”
In his speeches, Sanders suggests the higher incomes at the bottom will be paid for in the form of lower incomes for shareholders and executives who have captured all of the benefit of economic growth in recent decades. But even Friedman estimates that about half of the cost of these wage-boosting policies will eventually be passed on to workers, in the form of higher prices for what they buy, smaller pay raises or higher unemployment as firms replace workers with new technology.
Certainly the most aggressive aspect of Sandernomics is the senator’s plan to collect an additional $1.6 trillion a year in taxes—the equivalent of 7 percent of GDP.  Although all households would pay higher taxes, 40 percent of the extra taxes would come from households in the top 1 percent —those with annual incomes above $500,000, according to a Tax Policy Center analysis.  Those households would see their overall federal tax bite rise from 34 percent to 55 percent.
Sanders argues that it is misleading to look at the tax increase he proposes without also considering the money households would not have to spend on health insurance premiums and co-payments as a result of his plan.  A study by the liberal-leaning Citizens for Tax Justice found that 95 percent of American households—those with incomes below $225,000—would have more money to spend on everything other than taxes and health care.
But Sanders makes no apologies for the dramatic tax increase he wants to impose on “the billionaire class,” whose after-tax income would fall 40 percent, according to the Tax Policy Center.
For households with annual incomes above $10 million, the combined income and payroll tax bite on the last dollar of salary income— what economists call the marginal rate—would be 77 percent (after adding in the employer share of payroll taxes, as most economists would do). That compares to 43 percent today. For investment income—typically the bulk of income for wealthy households—the marginal rate would be 64 percent, compared to 24 percent today. None of those numbers includes state and city income taxes, which in some places could add another 10 percentage points to the tax bite.
Even households with incomes as low as $250,000 would face a marginal rate of 62 percent for earned income and 50 percent for investment income, significantly above today’s levels.
For years, mainstream economists have argued that governments could raise top marginal rates on salary income as high as 60 percent, and investment income to 30 percent, without causing high-income households to change their economic behavior. But with combined state and federal marginal rates reaching 70 or even 80 percent, they warn, it is likely that some business executives, hedge fund managers and well-paid professionals—or their spouses—will decide to hang it up and head for the beach.  For sure they will hire armies of lawyers and accountants to help them convert salary income to lower-taxed investment income—and then move investment income offshore, where it is not subject to any U.S. tax.
“You will just never be able to tax [investment income] that highly,” warns Princeton’s Blinder, as European countries discovered years ago.  Today, European tax rates on investment income are now half of what Sanders proposes.
And it’s not just rich people who would be affected by Sanders’S tax increases at the top. “Almost any economist would say that those taxes on investment will have a negative impact on economic growth,” said Len Burman, director of the Tax Policy Center.  “It raises the costs for business of making new investment, so they will invest less.  And it makes investors less inclined to own [stocks].”
Indeed, it would be surprising if Sanders’s plan for steep increase in taxes on investment income, corporate profit and financial transactions did not cause stock prices to fall significantly, reducing household wealth and, with it, consumer spending.
Sanders thinks this is nonsense. By redistributing spendable income to the poor and middle class and increasing government investment for infrastructure and education, he promises that Sandernomics would supercharge economic growth.  According to Friedman’s analysis, it would add 25 million jobs over a decade, increase the income of the average household by more than $20,000 and drive the unemployment rate down to 3.8 percent.
Even Democratic economists, however, are skeptical of such claims.
Christina Romer, another former adviser to President Obama, with her husband, David, released a paper last week concluding that there just weren’t enough unemployed workers and unused capacity left in the economy to make it possible for the economy to grow 5 percent each year for a decade, as Sanders imagines. The more likely result, they said, would be dramatically higher inflation, not growth.
“A realistic examination of the impact of the Sanders policies on the economy’s productive capacity suggest[s] those effects are likely to be small at best, and possibly negative,” wrote the Romers, both professor at the University of California at Berkeley.  The higher inflation would prompt the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates, further depressing business investment, they warned.  And by providing free tuition to students and guaranteed health care to everyone, it was unlikely, they concluded, that Sanders would succeed in greatly expanding the workforce.
Some economists, such as Jamie Galbraith of the University of Texas, think the Romers are working from an outdated economic model.
At a time when there is slow economic growth because of a glut of savings and too few opportunities for private investment, shifting money to well-targeted public investments such as infrastructure and education would surely increase growth, Galbraith said.
Moreover, in the newly globalized economy, there is a greatly reduced inflation risk. If wages are pushed high enough, Galbraith says, there are plenty of students, retirees, stay-at home parents, under-employed freelancers and Mexican immigrants who could be lured back into the American workforce.
That, however, is not what generally happens in Denmark and Sweden.  In those countries, higher wages, free tuition and universal health care come in an economic package that generally also includes modest growth, higher unemployment, limited immigration and significantly higher middle-class taxes. The problem with the Sanders program, say its critics, is that it promises all the good parts of the Scandinavian model without any of the bad parts — all dessert, no spinach.
As Denmark’s Kierkegaard sees it, in the modern world, existing social, economic, political and cultural institutions are so complex and interdependent that it’s not possible to bring about radical change in one area without changing everything else.  And even if Sanders did manage to pull off all those changes, he said, the process would generate disruption and uncertainty that would slow the economy for years.
“Revolutions in advanced economies are extraordinarily costly,” he said. “That’s why incremental change is preferred.”

Steven Pearlstein is a business and economics columnist who writes about local, national and international topics.


domingo, 21 de abril de 2013

Os escandinavos ja nao sao mais o que eram (nem deveriam...)

Há muito tempo que os mitos em torno da suposta maravilha do "modelo social" escandinavo -- taxação pesada, em troca de benefícios sociais extensos -- já foram desmistificados, e mesmo o fato de que eles existem, e são elogiados por alguns economistas (sobretudo no Brasil, onde também tem gente que pretende construir uma nação de assistidos, com cinco vezes menos renda per capita e uma produtividade inferior de igual proporção), isso não representa garantia de possam continuar para sempre, numa situação demográfica e social cambiante.
Melhor consertar preventivamente, e consensualmente, antes que o modelo desmorone, face ao enorme desequilíbrio econômico que ele provoca.
No Brasil tem gente que ainda não percebeu que ele é inviável, sobretudo nas nossas condições...
Paulo Roberto de Almeida


Danes Rethink a Welfare State Ample to a Fault

Jan Grarup for The New York Times
Robert Nielsen, 45, said proudly last year that he had basically been on welfare since 2001.
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COPENHAGEN — It began as a stunt intended to prove that hardship and poverty still existed in this small, wealthy country, but it backfired badly. Visit a single mother of two on welfare, a liberal member of Parliament goaded a skeptical political opponent, see for yourself how hard it is.
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It turned out, however, that life on welfare was not so hard. The 36-year-old single mother, given the pseudonym “Carina” in the news media, had more money to spend than many of the country’s full-time workers. All told, she was getting about $2,700 a month, and she had been on welfare since she was 16.
In past years, Danes might have shrugged off the case, finding Carina more pitiable than anything else. But even before her story was in the headlines 16 months ago, they were deeply engaged in a debate about whether their beloved welfare state, perhaps Europe’s most generous, had become too rich, undermining the country’s work ethic. Carina helped tip the scales.
With little fuss or political protest — or notice abroad — Denmark has been at work overhauling entitlements, trying to prod Danes into working more or longer or both. While much of southern Europe has been racked by strikes and protests as its creditors force austerity measures, Denmark still has a coveted AAA bond rating.
But Denmark’s long-term outlook is troubling. The population is aging, and in many regions of the country people without jobs now outnumber those with them.
Some of that is a result of a depressed economy. But many experts say a more basic problem is the proportion of Danes who are not participating in the work force at all — be they dawdling university students, young pensioners or welfare recipients like Carina who lean on hefty government support.
“Before the crisis there was a sense that there was always going to be more and more,” Bjarke Moller, the editor in chief of publications for Mandag Morgen, a research group in Copenhagen. “But that is not true anymore. There are a lot of pressures on us right now. We need to be an agile society to survive.”
The Danish model of government is close to a religion here, and it has produced a population that regularly claims to be among the happiest in the world. Even the country’s conservative politicians are not suggesting getting rid of it.
Denmark has among the highest marginal income-tax rates in the world, with the top bracket of 56.5 percent kicking in on incomes of more than about $80,000. But in exchange, the Danes get a cradle-to-grave safety net that includes free health care, a free university education and hefty payouts to even the richest citizens.
Parents in all income brackets, for instance, get quarterly checks from the government to help defray child-care costs. The elderly get free maid service if they need it, even if they are wealthy.
But few experts here believe that Denmark can long afford the current perks. So Denmark is retooling itself, tinkering with corporate tax rates, considering new public sector investments and, for the long term, trying to wean more people — the young and the old — off government benefits.
“In the past, people never asked for help unless they needed it,” said Karen Haekkerup, the minister of social affairs and integration, who has been outspoken on the subject. “My grandmother was offered a pension and she was offended. She did not need it.
“But now people do not have that mentality. They think of these benefits as their rights. The rights have just expanded and expanded. And it has brought us a good quality of life. But now we need to go back to the rights and the duties. We all have to contribute.”
In 2012, a little over 2.6 million people between the ages of 15 and 64 were working in Denmark, 47 percent of the total population and 73 percent of the 15- to 64-year-olds.
While only about 65 percent of working age adults are employed in the United States, comparisons are misleading, since many Danes work short hours and all enjoy perks like long vacations and lengthy paid maternity leaves, not to speak of a de facto minimum wage approaching $20 an hour. Danes would rank much lower in terms of hours worked per year.
In addition, the work force has far more older people to support. About 18 percent of Denmark’s population is over 65, compared with 13 percent in the United States.
One study, by the municipal policy research group Kora, recently found that only 3 of Denmark’s 98 municipalities will have a majority of residents working in 2013. This is a significant reduction from 2009, when 59 municipalities could boast that a majority of residents had jobs. (Everyone, including children, was counted in the comparison.)
Joachim B. Olsen, the skeptical politician from the Liberal Alliance party who visited Carina 16 months ago in her pleasant Copenhagen apartment, is particularly alarmed. He says Sweden, which is already considered generous, has far fewer citizens living on government benefits. If Denmark followed Sweden’s example, it would have about 250,000 fewer people living on benefits of various sorts.
“The welfare state here has spiraled out of control,” Mr. Olsen said. “It has done a lot of good, but we have been unwilling to talk about the negative side. For a very long time it has been taboo to talk about the Carinas.”
Already the government has reduced various early-retirement plans. The unemployed used to be able to collect benefits for up to four years. Now it is two.
Students are next up for cutbacks, most intended to get them in the work force faster. Currently, students are entitled to six years of stipends, about $990 a month, to complete a five-year degree which, of course, is free. Many of them take even longer to finish, taking breaks to travel and for internships before and during their studies.
In trying to reduce the welfare rolls, the government is concentrating on making sure that people like Carina do not exist in the future. It is proposing cuts to welfare grants for those under 30 and stricter reviews to make sure that such recipients are steered into jobs or educational programs before they get comfortable on government benefits.
Officials have also begun to question the large number of people who are receiving lifetime disability checks. About 240,000 people — roughly 9 percent of the potential work force — have lifetime disability status; about 33,500 of them are under 40. The government has proposed ending that status for those under 40, unless they have a mental or physical condition that is so severe that it keeps them from working.
Instead of offering disability, the government intends to assign individuals to “rehabilitation teams” to come up with one- to five-year plans that could include counseling, social-skills training and education as well as a state-subsidized job, at least in the beginning. The idea is to have them working at least part time, or studying.
It remains possible that the cost-cutting push will hurt the left-wing coalition that leads the government. By and large, though, the changes have passed easily in Parliament and been happily endorsed by conservatives like Mr. Olsen, who does his best to keep his meeting with Carina in the headlines.
Carina was not the only welfare recipient to fuel the sense that Denmark’s system has somehow gotten out of kilter. Robert Nielsen, 45, made headlines last September when he was interviewed on television, admitting that he had basically been on welfare since 2001.
Mr. Nielsen said he was able-bodied but had no intention of taking a demeaning job, like working at a fast-food restaurant. He made do quite well on welfare, he said. He even owns his own co-op apartment.
Unlike Carina, who will no longer give interviews, Mr. Nielsen, called “Lazy Robert” by the news media, seems to be enjoying the attention. He says that he is greeted warmly on the street all the time. “Luckily, I am born and live in Denmark, where the government is willing to support my life,” he said.
Some Danes say the existence of people like Carina and Mr. Nielsen comes as no surprise. Lene Malmberg, who lives in Odsherred and works part time as a secretary despite a serious brain injury that has affected her short-term memory, said the Carina story was not news to her. At one point, she said, before her accident when she worked full time, her sister was receiving benefits and getting more money than she was.
“The system is wrong somehow, I agree,” she said. “I wanted to work. But she was a little bit: ‘Why work?’ ”
Anna-Katarina Gravgaard contributed reporting.
A version of this article appeared in print on April 21, 2013, on page A1 of the New York editionwith the headline: Danes Rethink A Welfare State Ample to a Fault.

quarta-feira, 6 de fevereiro de 2013

Dinamarca: estudos brasileiros na universidade de Aarhus - Prof. Vinicius Mariano

Estudos Brasileiros na Dinamarca
O Café História entrevistou o Prof. Dr. Vinicius Mariano do Carvalho, coordenador do programa de estudos brasileiros da Universidade de Aarhus, da Dinamarca. O programa existe há vinte anos e acaba de lançar uma revista acadêmica totalmente dedicado ao tema: Brasiliana.
Graduado em letras, mas com uma formação  acadêmica interdisciplinar, o professor Vinícius Mariano conta nesta entrevista exclusiva como surgiu o projeto da revista Brasiliana, além de refletir sobre o tema “estudos brasileiros” e as transformações em relação ao Brasil que ele enxerga no âmbito acadêmico dinamarquês e do exterior. Além da revista, a Universidade de Aarhus oferece ainda um programa de estudos brasileiros que cada vez mais vem atraindo mais e mais alunos, que aprendem não apenas a língua portuguesa, mas também elementos da cultura e da história do Brasill. Confira e comente!
Café História: Professor, muito obrigado por conversar conosco. Foi com muito interesse e animação que recebemos a notícia do lançamento da “Brasiliana”. Como surgiu a ideia de uma revista de estudos brasileiros em uma universidade dinamarquesa?
Prof.Vinicius Mariano: Primeiramente, eu que tenho que agradecer pelo interesse em conhecer mais sobre nosso programa de Estudos Brasileiros na universidade de Aarhus e sobre nossa Revista, a Brasiliana. A revista nasceu de uma demanda não apenas dinamarquesa, mas eu diria que muito maior. Uma demanda por um meio específico para se discutir o Brasil e com o Brasil. Professores, acadêmicos e pesquisadores de uma comunidade que está se tornando maior a cada dia, a dos brasilianistas, normalmente utilizaram fóruns acadêmicos mais amplos, como as revistas sobre América Latina, Mundo Lusófono, Mundo Ibérico,etc., porém poucas são as revistas que se dedicam exclusivamente ao Brasil no ambiente das ciências sociais e humanas. Essa foi a motivação primeira para a criação da Brasiliana. A segunda motivação é de caráter estratégico local. Dentro de um plano de inserir nosso programa de Estudos Brasileiros da Universidade de Aarhrus em um contexto mais internacional e de certa maneira situá-lo mais ativamente no debate sobre e com o Brasil, Brasiliana foi o resultado natural desta estratégia.
Café História: Recentemente, entrevistamos o historiador Jurandir Malerba, professor de história na PUCRS e que atualmente está em Berlim terminando seu curso na novíssima cátedra Sérgio Buarque de Holanda de Estudos Brasileiros, na Universidade Livre de Berlim. Mais recentemente, foi lançada a "Brasiliana", revista de estudos brasileiros que o senhor coordena na Universidade de Aarhus, Dinamarca. Que o Brasil nos últimos anos veem ganhando destaque internacional em termos políticos e econômicos é razoavelmente (re)conhecido. Mas parece que há também um destaque do Brasil no meio acadêmico. Ao que parece, os pesquisadores e estudantes estrangeiros querem saber mais sobre a cultura e a história de nosso país. O senhor concorda? Se sim, como avalia este momento?
Prof.Vinicius Mariano: Sim, podemos dizer que têm havido uma maior busca por estudos sobre o Brasil, e também a presença de pesquisadores brasileiros no exterior tem sido muito importante para mostrar o que se produz de ciência no Brasil. Eu repito o que para mim é muito importante: acho que quando se trata de academia, precisamos sempre pensar de forma dialogal. Uma questão é o aumento da procura por conhecimento sobre o Brasil no exterior, outra coisa é o aumento da inserção do pensamento produzido no Brasil em todo o mundo. Quanto mais conseguirmos equilibrar esta balança, melhor será. Precisamos de estudar o Brasil, mas também com o Brasil. Neste ponto, o intercâmbio de pesquisadores e estudantes é fundamental. Se as condições são mais favoráveis hoje que há dez anos, então aproveitemos estas oportunidades.
Café História: Criar uma revista acadêmica exige muita dedicação, seja no Brasil ou no estrangeiro. Qual foi o maior desafio que o senhor encontrou na construção e execução deste projeto?
Prof.Vinicius Mariano: Primeiramente é preciso dizer que a revista me traz muito mais prazer que trabalho. Acho que é um grande privilégio poder, de certa maneira, provocar algum debate acadêmico e receber tantas respostas em forma de artigos de excelente qualidade, rigor científico e criatividade analítica. Além disso, a possibilidade de, virtualmente, estar envolvido nosurgmiento de uma comunidade de leitores, autores, editores é imprescidível no desenvolvimento do pensamento humanístico. Estas alegrias fazem com que qualquer desafio se torne pequeno e superável.É claro que, sendo um projeto que começa a dar seus passos agora, há muitos acertos a serem feitos. A Revista não conta com patrocínio e é de fato a colaboração que a faz mover-se. Penso que muitos colegas que estão colaborando com a realização deste projeto também podem ver o potencial da Revista e investem seu tempo e dedicação para que logremos fazer da revista um canal sério e que dê frutos.
Café História: Professor, no editorial de estreia da “Brasiliana”, o senhor sublinha que as universidades estrangeiras passaram a usar mais o termo “Brazilian Studies” do que o tradicional (e genérico) “Latin American Studies” para se referir ao campo de pesquisas acadêmicas sobre Brasil. E, neste sentido, diz que a “Brasiliana” tenta já neste primeiro número definir o que significa esta categoria: “Brazilian Studies”. Em resumo, na sua opinião, como o senhor definiria os “Brazilian Studies”?
Prof.Vinicius Mariano: Academicamente venho defendendo a idéia de que, ainda que prático e necessário em algum momento, é preciso cuidado com a generalização do termo América Latina. Quais são os critérios para esta categorização? Linguísticos? Coloniais? Ademais, o que se vê normalmente é uma associação entre os termos América Latina e América de língua espanhola. Obviamente que há um número bastante consideravel de países no continente americano que falam espanhol, porém parece-me que esta associação é um pouco confusa. Neste sentido, venho defendendo que é preciso diferenciar Estudos Brasileiros de Estudos Latinoamericanos. A grande maioria dos departamentos nas universidades que oferecem algo sobre Brasil, incluem o estudo do país no quadro dos estudos latinoamericanos. Outra vez, compreendo que é necessário pensar de maneira prática e seria de certa forma inviável que universidades criassem um departamento de estudos brasileiros, um de estudos cubanos, um de estudos mexicanos, um de estudos nicaragueneses, etc. Mas observo, e não apenas eu, mas muitos outros brasilianistas e latinoamericanistas, que os estudos brasileiros vêm ganhando certa projeção e, mesmo ainda dentro de departamentos de estudos latino americanos ou hispano americanos, solidifica-se mais e mais como uma área de estudos. Não arisco a levantar hipóteses sobre as razões para esta projeção, mas creio que é nossa tarefa como acadêmicos estarmos abertos e atentos para discutir uma possível ontologia e epistemologia dos estudos brasileiros. Você me pergunta como eu definiria estudos brasileiros. Deixarei sua pergunta sem uma resposta final, uma vez que é exatamente este debate que pretendemos que a Brasiliana venha articular e trazer. O que eu diria é que, a meus olhos, estes “estudos brasileiros” não devem pensar o Brasil apenas como um objeto, mas também como um sujeito da reflexão social e humanística, uma reflexão sobre si mesmo e sobre o mundo.
Café História: O corpo editorial da revista é bastante global. Há professores do Brasil, da Dinamarca, da Inglaterra e dos Estados Unidos. Isso reforça o perfil interdisciplinar da publicação? E, mais, como tem sido o feedback deste trabalho?
Prof.Vinicius Mariano: Como eu disse acima, a idéia é que Brasiliana se torne um fórum internacional para debater sobre e com o Brasil. Acredito que apenas uma pluralidade de vozes, interepretações e análises poderão de fato contribuir para a construção de um pensar amplo em torno do Brasil. Isso porque, em nosso ponto de vista, o Brasil também é plural, seja em suas potencialidades e em seus problemas, o que nos obriga a também pensar de maneira plural. As respostas têm sido muito positivas. Somos surpreendidos com a visibilidade que a revista alcançou em pouco tempo de existência. Obviamente há críticas acerca do caráter amplo de abrangência da revista, porém esta é a perspectiva que lançamos e que insistiremos em seguir.
Café História: Como os pesquisadores brasileiros podem colaborar com a revista? Ela aceita trabalhos em fluxos contínuos? Quem pode enviar artigos ou resenhas?
Prof.Vinicius Mariano: A revista têm 4 sessões. A primeira, chamada dossiê, é uma sessão mais temática, para a qual lançamos duas chamadas para artigos anualmente. Os temas para esta sessão são definidos pelo Conselho Editorial e estamos neste principio privilegiando uma discussão em torno do significado do conceito Estudos Brasileiros. Posteriormente estes temas ampliar-se-ão a tópicos emergentes no debate acadêmico e social do e sobre o Brasil. As demais sessões, Geral, Resenhas e “Varia”, têm um fluxo contínuo de recepção de textos. Na sessão Geral recebemos textos que discutam academicamente temas relevantes sobre o Brasil nos campos das Ciências Sociais e Humanas. O espaço é amplo e não excludente, conquanto o texto reflita sobre e com o Brasil. Resenhas de publicações, exposições, concertos ou performances recentes sobre o Brasil ou com artistas brasileiros são sempre bem vindas. A sessão “Varia” é mais livre, traz entrevistas relevantes que podem provocar outros textos e debates, reportagens ou ensaios que não passam pelo processo de “peer review”. Para esta sessão preferimos falar em “aceitamos sugestões” do que “recebemos artigos”, já que neste caso os Editores têm uma agenda a seguir.Todo pesquisador que queira submeter um artigo científico que reflita algum aspecto do Brasil, nas áreas das ciências sociais e humanas, encontrará Brasiliana de portas abertas. A revista publica em português, inlgês, espanhol e dinamarquês.
Café História: Professor, o senhor pode nos falar um pouco sobre a sua trajetória acadêmica e objetos de pesquisa? Como começou a sua relação com a Dinamarca?
Prof.Vinicius Mariano: Minha trajetória acadêmica também é plural, dentro das ciências humanas. Venho das letras, da filosofia, da literatura, da música, da teologia; gosto da história, da antropologia, da sociologia, da política, da geografia, da linguística. Enfim, das humanidades. Passei, tanto como estudante quanto professor, por universidades no Brasil e na Alemanha antes de vir para a Dinamarca, onde cheguei quase casualmente em 2008, no programa de Leitorado do MRE-CAPES, vindo depois a tornar-me professor de Estudos Brasileiros da própria universidade de Aarhus.
Café História: A revista é apenas uma de suas ocupações na Universidade de Aarhus. O senhor também está à frente do Programa de Estudos Brasileiros desta universidade. Como funciona esse programa? Ele funciona há muito tempo? Que cursos e que formação oferece atualmente?
Prof.Vinicius Mariano: Sim, atualmente coordeno os Estudos Brasileiros na Universidade de Aarhus. Este programa, que já tem quase 20 anos, vem passando por reformulações com o objetivo de fazê-lo mais dinâmico e capaz de dar respostas à demandas contemporâneas, bem como formar profissionais que sejam mediadores entre o Brasil e a Dinamarca. A principio o programa teve um caráter mais filológico, com muita ênfase no aprendizado da língua portuguesa na sua variante brasileira, porém, como eu disse, estamos já há alguns anos promovendo modificações no programa, de modo dar um conhecimento mais abrangente sobre o Brasil. Temos um programa de Bacharelado e de Mestrado em Estudos Brasileiros e também temos estudantes de Doutorado em nosso programa. Aqui o aluno aprende a língua portuguesa, obviamente, e também literatura, cultura e história do Brasil, além de ter cursos sobre cultura organizacional, estudos de problemas brasileiros, etc.Oferecemos também com frequencia mensal uma série de palestras chamadas “Lectures on Brazilian Studies”, nas quais buscamos trazer pesquisadores brasileiros ou de outras partes do mundo para apresentarem suas pesquisas sobre o Brasil. Uma vez por ano temos um grande evento chamado “Brazilian Days”, normalmente na última semana de setembro, quando tratamos de um tema específico da cultura brasileira com palestras, concertos, exibições de filmes, workshops, etc. Durante o “Brazilian Days” também realizamos reuniões internas buscando aprimorar as relações e colaborações com universidades brasileiras. Nossos alunos, em sua maioria esmagadora, passam um semestre de seus estudos em alguma de nossa universidades parceiras no Brasil, para que conheçam mais da realidade brasileira e convivam com estudantes brasileiros. Realizamos excursões de estudos ao Brasil e buscamos provomer a difusão da cultura do Brasil dentro da universidade em geral. É bastante trabalho!
Café História: Que estudantes procuram este programa de estudos brasileiros? O que motiva tais alunos a se interessarem pelo Brasil? Que nível de conhecimento do país eles geralmente possuem ao entrar e, mais tarde, ao sair do curso?
Prof.Vinicius Mariano: Nosso público é bastante variado no que diz respeito à suas motivações. Tenho alunos que vieram para o curso porque gostam do futebol do Brasil, outros por causa da música, outros porque gostariam de saber como negociar com o Brasil, outros porque são apaixonados por um ou por uma brasileira! Enfim, as motivações são diversas, o que se torna um grande desafio para nós. Buscamos satisfazer-lhes em suas aspirações, mas dar-lhes também uma perspectiva mais abrangente sobre o país e motivá-los para que busquem, por eles mesmos, maneiras de inserirem-se na cultura brasileira. Nos últimos 4 anos o crescimento pela procura do curso foi vertiginoso. Saimos de 9 estudantes para 51 em nível de bacharelado. Comemorarmos isso, mas também sentimos a responsabilidade em dar-lhes uma formação apropriada e motivadora.
Café História: Professor, muito obrigado por esta excelente conversa. Foi um prazer para administração do Café História abordar um projeto tão estimulante. Fique à vontade para passar qualquer recado aos quase 50 mil participantes de nossa rede.
Prof.Vinicius Mariano: Mais uma vez, eu que agradeço a oportunidade e interesse. Parabenizo a todos que participam deste web site, promovendo um diálogo necessário e frutífero e espero que os leitores se sintam motivados a participar da Brasiliana, seja como autores ou leitores, e nos ajudem a construir estes estudos brasileiros.
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